Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:51:17 -0700 Subject: [Baren 18720] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1896 I'm probably behind the eight ball since I'm a digest reader at the end of the day, but my answer to sending prints is to send them unframed and declare no value internationally; that they are documents. It would be good if we had rules to go by, say all 6x9 etchings were $100 retail, olivia sparkle porn pics or so much a square usually inch. Is there some printmaking guru that decides this? Demand and Supply??? Are galleries responsible?? All of the above?? As artists how are usually we able to market out own work with this huge price fluctuation with no real reasons....It is done by me by measurement, believing what is the a minimum of We would offer a item for actually, adding 50% for the gallery and going from there. What size? > >April Mike Lyon mailto:[email protected] http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: Myron Turner Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:31:35 -0500 Content: [Baren 18726] Re: All Nude All the Time -- Size does matter... Would it be possible to give the paper dimensions in incheses? I've determined that oban iring about 10x15, but what about chuban? I've found several sets of dimensions for it on the baren web site. Kat Pukas http://home.earthlink.net/~milkyscarabs/art.html ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:53:45 -0500 Subject: [Baren 18729] Re also: All Nude All the Time -- Size does matter... Here's my Japanese print size table: FORMAT = high inches x wide inches (approximate!) Aiban = 13 x 9 Chuban = 10 x 7.5 Chu-tanzaku = 15 x 5.1 Dai Oban = 18.25 x 13.75 Ebankiri = 20.25 x 7.5 Hashire-e = 28 x 4.5 Hosoban = 13 x 5 Kakemono (vertical oban diptych) = 30 x 10 Kakuban = 8 x 7 Kaku-Surimono = 8.5 x 7 Koban = 9 x 6.75 Ko-tanzaku = 13.5 x 3 Naga-ban = 20.25 x 9 Oban = 15 x 10 Ogata-chuban = 11.5 x 8.5 O-hosoban = 15 x 6.75 Tanzaku = 17 x 5 Shikishiban = 9 x 8 Sho-tanzaku = 10 x 3.75 Uchiwa = 10 x 9 Yatsugiri-ban = 5 x 3.75 These dimensions are only approximate, and depend on sheet size... The 'official' size for each exchange are given on the exchange information page in both inches and centimeters while the exchange is active. Will ben't it interesting how things increase in value as soon as they are not as available? Or when someone becomes "famous". As for hosoban, I've located only one listing for it (using Google) but without the sizes. Thanks, Myron ------------------------------ From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:50:02 EDT Subject: [Bhappen to ben 18727] Re: All Pictures All the Time -- Size does matter... Barbara - There's an interesting story about Gene Kloss (and it was spelled Gene). She sent in some of her prints (probably back in the 30's) to a juried show on the East Coast. The rather prestigious organization sponsoring the show returned the prints and suggested that she "learn to use her Brownie(camera) and to not enter real artist's competitions with her efforts". About 40 years later, this same organization went to her as one of the leading printmakers in the country - wanting to do a retrospective of her work. (Sorry, Bill Ritchie, but I had to jump into this evil game-) Sharri ------------------------------ From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:51:24 +0000 Subject: [Baren 18721] Re: Nudeless in Seattle Having spent two days a week for the past 25 years drawing the nude I would certainly like to take part in the "nude"/ "figurative" exchange..... whenever that will be. As to the evilness of nudes...... years ago, miles away, and in another full life, I got a topic with close friends about nudity in common. Her work was wonderful - even though she didn't use photography. I thought it seemed to be a good drawing, but the powers to be asked me to remove it. Barbara P. Barbara, Day This made my...I just nearly lost control off the seat laughing. Oh - what an evil thought. I've never had any trouble. She was always referred to around Graphic as "that young lady from New Mexico" end upcause that's what my grandfather called her. Most were "anti" terribly. Sort out of claims a great deal about us as a types, doesn't it? I just got a wonderful catalog of etchings and see one of the prints for Jean Kloss (maybe spelled Gene, altho a woman) was selling for $2200. I have a beautiful piece of hers that I bought before her death about 10 years ago when I was in Taos....I won't tell you what I paid because I don't want to hear all that weeping on the net. Dean Clark ------------------------------ From: Milky Scarabs Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:54:20 -0700 Subject: [Baren 18728] KIWA > > >I'm adding a bit to the original - is anyone sending prints to the KIWA >(2003) exhibition? and has anyone witnessed their show(s)? > > Louise Cass, I possess some photos of their final KIWA express, and my Western good friend went to it in addition. However, their reason wasn't because the nude was inherently hateful, it has been because without the garments it will be practically difficult to uncover a folks interpersonal position rapidly. How lengthy performed it have? Incredible about two weeks from Mexico to Japan (I sent them by regular service). Nowadays I understand it can take more to the US than to Asia, >I'm adding a bit to the original - is anyone sending prints to the KIWA >(2003) exhibition? Best to all, Barbara ------------------------------ From: "Philip Smith" Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 13:25:40 -0700 Subject: [Baren 18723] Re: Baren Absorb V20 #1896 Sherri....You really have to watch out for that "mail-god" he pops up when you least expect him!! Philip Hammond, OR USA ------------------------------ From: "Philip Smith" Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 13:34:22 -0700 Subject: [Baren 18724] Re: Nudeless in Seattle Barbara P. When I was in art college many years ago, we had a show of drawings. My husband says it doesn't matter, as I am not planning to sell it. It's a lot, lot more than I had anticipated! Myron At 06:53 PM 14/07/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Here's my Japanese print size table: > >FORMAT = high inches x wide inches (approximate!) >Aiban = 13 x 9 >Chuban = 10 x 7.5 >Chu-tanzaku = 15 x 5.1 >Dai Oban = 18.25 x 13.75 >Ebankiri = 20.25 x 7.5 >Hashire-e = 28 x 4.5 >Hosoban = 13 x 5 >Kakemono (vertical oban diptych) = 30 x 10 >Kakuban = 8 x 7 >Kaku-Surimono = 8.5 x 7 >Koban = 9 x 6.75 >Ko-tanzaku = 13.5 x 3 >Naga-ban = 20.25 x 9 >Oban = 15 x 10 >Ogata-chuban = 11.5 x 8.5 >O-hosoban = 15 x 6.75 >Tanzaku = 17 x 5 >Shikishiban = 9 x 8 >Sho-tanzaku = 10 x 3.75 >Uchiwa = 10 x 9 >Yatsugiri-ban = 5 x 3.75 > >These dimensions are simply approximate, and depend on sheet size... The >'official' size for each exchange are given on the exchange information >page in both inches and centimeters while the exchange is active. As for hosoban, >I've found only one detailing for it (using Google) but withover the dimensions. Mike Lyon mailto:[email protected] http://www.mlyon.com ------------------------------ From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:14:37 EDT Subject: [Bare usuallyn 18730] Re: All Nude All the Period -- Size does matter... if i did a self port. in the nude the baren folks would be rofl all the way to japan and back some things are best left unseen, john of the furry press ------------------------------ From: Myron Turner Particular date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:36:35 -0500 Subject: [Baren 18731] Re: All Nude All the Time -- Dimensions does matter... Thank you very much. It seems a strange way, how can a 9x12 print be one third the price of a 16 x 20 print??? Same do the job, extra expenses of elements just a bit, additional fees of mounting slightly....but three times the price. I think this whole price factor is too wierd just. On the other hand, their reason wasn't because the nude was inherently evil, it had been because without the clothes it is almost impossible to ascertain a persons social status quickly. Gene, who acquired been every a lovely lady, manufactured some ideas to them that have been simply just a trifle gross most likely, finwill behing with the fact that she obtained never owned a Brownie and wasn't interested in their show. Barbara P. ------------------------------ From: "Lee and Barbara Mason" Date: Sunlight, 14 Jul 2002 12:25:46 -0700 Subject: [Baren 18722] :Nudeless in Seattle and the price of goods Most were terribly "anti". I know there is no answer to this post..venting here while I am taking a break just. The onplanning work itself seemed comprable....some have been $250 some were $10,000. The evil eye of the mail-god shall be focused on my ship habits. My fellow students assumed it was unfair as performed I. Ah well, that seemed to be then, this is now! Philip Hammond, OR USA ------------------------------ From: Mike Lyon Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:36:33 -0500 Content: [Baren 18725] All Nude All the Time -- Size will matter... #17 -- spring 2003 -- "all nude, all the time" -- let's see... size... It's tempting, April... Very tempting to make a joke here - -- especially after Carol Lyons' skeleton question, and Bill Ritchies Bare-en' thing then, but I'm gonna restrain myself a little and try to play it straight... [;-)] So size DOES matter, after all... #17 will be OBAN 11=oban (flora) due Nov 1, 2001 12=other-hosoban no theme due Feb 1, 2002 13=chuban (music) due June 1, 2002 14=oban no theme due Octoturn out to ber 1, 2002 ... and now back to our proper four exchange per year schedule: 15=other-chu-tanzaku (15" x 5" = 1/2 oban) (all hanga) sign up Oct 1, 2002 prints due Feb 1, 2003 16=chuban no design sign up Jan 1, 2002 prints due May 1, 2003 17=oban (all nude) signal up April 1, aug 1 2003 images owing, 2003 18=other no theme sign upward July 1, 2003 styles scheduled December 1, 2003 19= chuban (theme yet to be determined) sign up Octoend upr 1, 2003 prints due Feb 1, 2004 At 03:42 PM 7/13/2002 -0400, you wrote: >All nudes all the time...funny to hear that is the thought for typically the new >concept. I simply started out functioning on some nudes, even I could work with those chunks. I put up about 50 drawings. ------------------------------ From: juan Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:59:37 -0500 Subject: [Baren 18732] Re: Baren Digest V20 #1896 DEAR LOUISE: I dispatched 3 prints to KIWA exhibition, and as well I acquired an e mail from Richard Steiner credit reporting they possess acquired them . and has anyone seen their show(s)? > >And apropos to sending to international shows I've just found out that >air mail packages (from copyright, at any rate) can take months to arrive Juan Guerrero J. Pilar Ruiz 276 F. I sent KIWA prints years ago that I guess will be in the 2003 exhibition. >I was inspired by all the Italian bodies. This catalog had wonderful lithos and etchings, some of the artists I knew but many I did not. One was a centaur cprovidesing a young lady through the woods, and he excited to do so. Mike At 06:31 PM 7/14/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Would it be possible to give the paper dimensions in inches? I've >determined that oban is about 10x15, but what about chuban? I've found >several sets of dimensions for it on the baren web site. I was asked to be in it. However, having said that [:-)] , I guess I possess today inserted an irrevocable hex on all my potential messages.